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‘We’re just glad to have football’ can only go on for so long at Bolton, agree?

Bolton Wanderers fans have been saying that results don’t matter too much right now, they’re just glad to have football to watch. I am one of those people, but when will it wear off?

Bolton survived and Bury died. It was one of the worst times in football for me and a situation I never want any club to be in again. It should have woken up the people in charge of all leagues and made them re-think rules when it comes to money in football.

The problem is now in terms of Bolton Wanderers is that fans are using this as an excuse for the poor results. Now it’s a question of how long can ‘we’re just glad to have football,’ be used?

Personally, for me, it’s going to take a while for this to shake off because all the fans know how close we came to going the same way as Bury.

This is the reason why we are taking so many fans to away games. We had over 2000 fans at Rotherham and season tickets have started selling fast. We have something to watch again and a club to support with no financial issues again. It’s nice. It doesn’t even matter about the results right now, we just want to keep supporting the team and new management.

Is frustration around the corner?

Now, there will be a point where we can’t use this as an excuse anymore. I think that point will come at around Christmas time when we play teams that are bottom of the league with us. If we don’t take any points from them, then Bolton fans will start to get frustrated. However, I do think relegation is on the cards this season.

We still have to get out of the minus points we are on and that will take a lot of time. By the time we have done that, we then have to start again building up points so it’s a hard job and if Keith Hill manages it, he’ll be a club legend. I just can’t see it happening so for the rest of this season, any points, goals or any good play will be celebrated as we’ve just won the league. I think it’ll be next season when that statement wears off.

For me, I’ll never be able to shake that statement off, because of the Bury fans who have gone through the absolute worst thing a club could go through and I wish they would have survived.

Although it is nice to be able to talk football again, if any Bolton fan starts to moan about performances this year, just think about what could have been.

Rochdale’s top 5 rivals may be a surprise to many fans

A recent study was conducted, with the aim of finding out who the various clubs in the Football League and Premier League’s fans believed their biggest rivals were.

The study was called “The League of Love And Hate” with twitter user @ChrisRWhiting publishing the results.

Bury

Rochdale’s biggest rivals with 74% of votes were deemed as Bury which will be little surprise to no one who follows either club. Rochdale and Bury historically have had many games between the sides due to both sides often playing at the same level. Bury vs Rochdale was also voted the 30th biggest rivalry in the Premier League and Football league the same data.

With Bury’s exodus from the league this season, the derby will be sorely missed on fans from either club’s calendars. The hope is that Bury gets back to where they belong soon.

Oldham Athletic

Oldham was voted 2nd by 72% which is largely due to the geographical proximity of the clubs. However, Oldham has spent a great deal of recent history in leagues above Rochdale. This led to a derby fixture between the sides quite the rarity but one that was looked forward to all the same, despite how cold Boundary Park could be.

Burnley

Burnley came in at 3rd, with 56% of fans asked voting for them which again is probably largely down to how close Burnley is to Rochdale. There always used to be in trouble in the games vs Burnley. Of course, now there’s 2 leagues that separate the sides, making a reunion only possible through a cup draw.

Wigan Athletic

Wigan at 4th with 46% is a strange one for me as I don’t really see Wigan as rivals, to be honest, and never have. The clubs often play against each other at youth level but in recent history, the first teams have been in different leagues most of the time.

Accrington Stanley

Finally, Accrington came in at 5th with 37% of people asked voting. The club has enjoyed many a game recently. With the added factor that Accrington’s manager John Coleman left the Crown Ground for a brief spell in charge of Rochdale – which ultimately led to relegation and a failure to compete for promotion and cost him his job.

I would easily replace Wigan with Halifax on the list, as Halifax was a regular derby a long time ago before they suffered their financial troubles and now call the National League their home.

Why Bolton’s no fixture last weekend is a sad time for football

Wondered why Bolton Wanderers never played a game this weekend? It’s because they were meant to be playing Bury. In a sad time for the game, The Football Manc Cave reflects.

A lot of football fans haven’t had a game to watch this week because it’s the international break. Bolton fans have had no game because the team they were meant to be playing were expelled from the league.

Bury fans haven’t got any games to watch.

It’s about time the people in power started to look at struggling clubs a little closer, and help them instead of putting them in situations like this.

Just imagine for one minute, the EFL would have given Bury more help and extended their time to try and sort the issues they were having. I know a lot of people are now going to say that they had enough time. However, in my opinion, with the supposed new bids on the deadline day, the EFL should have seen that as a possible way to save the club so should have helped.

If they would have and a deal could have been made. Just imagine Bolton vs Bury. The money that that game would have brought in because both sets of fans want their clubs to survive, the attention the game would have got and what it would have meant for either team to score, gain any points or most importantly, win.

Instead, the EFL removes Bury from the league. The fact that there was no fixture for Bolton this weekend, just made me realise how lucky I am to be a Bolton fan. We actually have games to watch now thanks to Football Ventures. It doesn’t matter whether we win or lose, we have football to watch.

Sad times for Bury

It’s a sad time for the game and I really do hope that Bury can solve the issues they have and work their way back into the leagues. It’s not fair, football is all about money and there’s so much of it, so why are Bury facing these issues? Because the EFL let a man, sorry, a coward, take over a club, not have the funds, not willing to sort a sale out and then the EFL end up expelling them from the league.

Maybe they should have run tests more accurately, and actually done a background test on Dale before just shattering the fans, staff and players.

I hope that once we are up and running properly, we could maybe give Bury fans free entry so that they’ve got some football to watch. If not that, then I really do think we should have some sort of game that raises money for Bury. Football fans that are laughing, mocking or saying that Bury deserves this in any way, I really hope that your club never has to go through what they have – because it’s heartbreaking.

Bury and Bolton fans asked for their biggest rivals – the results may surprise many

A recent poll published by ‘The League of love and hate’ claims Bury’s greatest rivals lies only a few miles around the corner. No surprise geography wins out claiming the Shakers greatest rivals are Bolton Wanderers, polling at 73%, a clear winner.

Although games between these two clubs have been few and far between over recent years, mainly due to the Wanderers time in the Premier League whilst Bury were in League One or Two. Fans of the club still loved a calendar marking game in the year whenever these teams met.

If only it was a coincidence that this poll has launched in the past few days, both teams were due to meet this weekend at the UniBol stadium in front of the Sky Sports cameras.

The less said of Bury and their financial trouble for now, but these games mean so much to the die-hard fans who bleed white and blue blood.

Bolton’s main rivals

This poll will come as little surprise to football fans, although the rivalry may excite Bury more than Bolton. For Wanderers fans, Bury come in as their fifth-biggest rival with just 49% of the vote. Even Oldham is a greater foe for Keith Hill’s side coming in at 51%.

They believe worldwide giants Manchester United are their biggest enemy, despite a lack of encounters over the past decade, as the Whites have tumbled down the football league ladder.

Also on the list following Bolton comes Rochdale (69%) and Oldham (60%), games that have been a far more prominent season in, season out. Yet Bury doesn’t feature as a rival where the Boundary Park faithful is concerned. Man United, Huddersfield Town and Blackburn all come across as a greater rival than that of the Shakers.

However, the recently expelled EFL club will be much missed by Rochdale in the future, as derby day between these football clubs is THE game as far as the opinions of the Dale fans go.

74% of fans prefer days at Gigg Lane than any other club, although fellow Greater Manchester club Oldham is also well thought of.

‘The League of Love And Hate’ produced this on polled Bury FC fans.

Bolton (73%) Rochdale (69%) Oldham (60%) Wigan (49%) Blackburn (44%)

‘Bury must start again from the bottom. Not handed a lifeline! Other clubs will think they can do it otherwise’ Football fans react

The Football Manc Cave is looking at your reactions to the fact that Bury could make a return to League Two if plans go ahead…

Fans were devastated when Bury’s expulsion from the league was announced and thousands signed a petition to overturn the decision. The EFL didn’t help with the situation and now Paul Wilkinson and Bury MP, James Frith have spoken about plans to try and get their team into league two rather than lower league football.

James Frith had announced yesterday that he will submit plans to the EFL for this to happen next season and here are your reactions…

Personally, I can’t see the EFL allowing this and in terms of how things are supposed to go officially, it would be unfair to place Bury in League Two. Especially, when other teams are fighting to be there, however, the way that the EFL have handled the situations with the likes of Bolton and Bury, I think they should do something to help The Shakers now.

Most won’t agree but at the end of the day, the league should want their football teams to survive.

Bury will not be the last time expelled from the EFL, here’s why…

Bury were expelled from the EFL earlier this week, following their takeover fallen through. The club had unpaid debts, and through poor ownership, were not able to pay them.

Unfortunately, this won’t be the last. I expect a spate of clubs to struggle in the coming years, why?

Getting new owners, is purely pot luck. Previous Wigan owner Dave Whelan sold the club to IEC. I wasn’t worried because I knew he wouldn’t see us sold down the river to the first potential buyer. He always wanted to sell to an ambitious consortium, that would have the money to see our progress, and hopefully reach the Premier League again.

The EFL simply need to change their criteria and background checks when allowing new owners to buy football clubs. Steve Dale should never have been allowed to buy Bury. He had no previous experience of running a football club, has never visited the town, refused to pay staff and wouldn’t accept an offer that would’ve kept the club going. Disgraceful.

The transfer market is just ridiculously inflated, which is forcing clubs to spend more they can afford, to stay in their respective division. They are gambling with millions of pounds, if the gamble goes wrong they suddenly find themselves in debt, struggling to run the club and pay staff, then it just spirals from there.

The gap in revenue between Premier League clubs and EFL clubs is astronomical. Man United was paying Alexis Sanchez up to £500,000 a week, while Bury needed £2.7 million to survive. That’s not right. I’m not saying United should’ve bailed them out, as I’m sure that’s not legal or would happen in other industries, but surely the EFL could fund these smaller clubs or put a cap on wages to minimise the ever-growing money gap.

From a Wigan Athletic fan to Bury fans

What a sad day for English football and the town of Bury, after The Shakers were expelled from the EFL following unpaid debts and poor ownership.

Bury was founded in 1885, 124 years of history, gone. Being a Wigan fan, it’s frightening. Our town isn’t much bigger than Bury, us, Bolton, Blackburn, Rochdale and Oldham – we’re all in the same boat.

Forget football for a second, their’s people’s jobs at stake. People that have mortgages, bills like all of us, and are relying on Bury FC for them jobs. It puts life into perspective, real working-class people need the club to live, not to just support on a Saturday afternoon.

The EFL is to blame. Steve Dale isn’t fit to run a sandwich shop, never mind a football club. He has killed that club and area, single-handedly and doesn’t sound in the slightest bit bothered. How he passed all of the checks and proved himself fit to run a football club, I will never know.

The whole town will be hurting for a long time, people will suffer, businesses and shops too. It’s the heart and soul of a working-class town. On a Saturday, it’s match day. People go to the pub before and after, pop into the newsagents for a paper on the way, buy a pie from the local butchers. The whole area suffers.

A team is for life

Fans have supported that club for life. Looked forward to going every week. All gone because of one man. Frightening and upsetting. Being a Wigan fan, I’m just grateful we have a club. I couldn’t imagine not having a side to support, they are my life, I think about the club every day. I’ve met friends for life and made memories forever following Wigan.

My thoughts go out to everyone who ever supported Bury, and I hope the local businesses and people rally to bring success and happiness back to the town.

Bury fans must try and envisage a future, no matter how difficult that may feel

It would be too easy to join the queue of people offering their condolences to Bury fans following their expulsion from the EFL this week. Instead, what is needed is a plan for the future, not just for Bury FC but for all the clubs who might find themselves in the same situation.

There was almost an inevitability to Bury’s expulsion from the league and Bolton’s extension of their extension. I don’t wish to suggest that Bolton were in a less perilous state than Bury, but if both clubs had been treated the same by the EFL and Bury had been allowed to play their fixtures. The situation might have panned out differently.

The people at the EFL meeting that took place after the 5pm deadline, must surely have been aware of the enormity of expelling Bolton Wanderers from the league given their rich history and long membership of English football.

That does not mean that losing Bury might soon be forgotten. However, there is a danger that the impact on the game may be less, given that the club will always be looked upon as a minor side who spent most of their time in the lower divisions.

Bury’s due diligence

It is possible that the EFL may want to see the back of this episode quickly and sweep the whole debacle under the carpet. Therefore, if there is one thing Bury fans can do, it is to keep the club in the limelight and demand an inquiry into how Steve Dale was allowed to pass a test of due diligence.

Consequently, it is imperative that Bury fans dust themselves off and plan for the future as soon as possible, no matter how difficult that might seem at present. There is a great deal of vitriol aimed at Dale on social media but that needs to be abandoned. The Poundland tycoon with his scant regard for the local community and the livelihoods of his employees, cannot harm the people of Bury any more. Forget him and hope that his long-overdue date in the dock is just around the corner.

Other clubs have started from scratch again and prospered – there is no reason why Bury can’t. Football has long been called The People’s Game. It’s time we took it back.

Football may soon be awash with Bury’s 11th-hour deadline

Football fans should be worried about the future of the game. If they’re not, they should have a pretty good excuse why and be prepared to subject themselves to a fit and proper examination of their mental state.

Bury fans have already subjected themselves to such scrutiny and they won’t want to relive the final hour of Friday 23rd August in a hurry for fear of tipping themselves into madness.

As the minutes ticked by to the EFL’s 11.59 pm deadline, social media appeared to be adding insults to injury. First claiming that Bury had been expelled from the football league and then reporting an 11th-hour reprieve.

None of this did anything for Bury fans who were hoping for a decent nights sleep for the first time in months, as the EFL retired to consider the latest position and extend the agony longer.

You have to wonder how a club like Bury can survive two World Wars, the depression and years of decline in the North of England and yet face extinction due to a man who bought the club for a pound.

Give the game back to the working class

The simple answer is that the game was generally in good hands when it was solely watched by the working class. It only seems to have gone downhill since the people with money came sniffing around the dressing room doors.

There will be other anxious fans watching the situation closely given that the list of owners with financial troubles or questionable agendas grows longer every day.

It is how the EFL deals with the situation which will decide how future catastrophes of this nature pan out. Unquestionably they have the power to avoid this happening anywhere again, but their record in implementing due diligence checks is flawed and in need of a complete overhaul.

Undoubtedly there are clubs who are hanging on by their fingernails to avoid being the next ones facing a winding-up order but as with Bury, success on the field tends to hand supporters a set of blinkers. They are hardly likely to demand to see the accounts if their side is riding high in the table, and booking an open-top bus for the first week in May.

The situation at Bury won’t change anything however as owners may feel that they can deal with the EFL’s due diligence checks with ease. If Steve Dale can and the fans will continue to have tunnel vision as long as the ball is still flying into the net.

Only when we have lost clubs like Bury and Bolton, are people likely to take notice of the crisis in the game but by then it may be too late.

‘Bought it for 1 quid, ruined it and now wants everyone else to bail him out’ Twitter reaction to Steve Dale asking for 2.7m from Bury fans and businesses by TONIGHT

From one extreme to another. How can one man destroy a football club like this? According to Talksport Bury owner Steve Dale, is now asking fans and local businesses to find £2.7 million by TONIGHT, to avoid the club from EFL expulsion. Extraordinary.

Bury have until midnight tonight, to agree to a deal with a new owner, otherwise, the club will be expelled. The Shakers are yet to play a match this season, after having their first six league fixtures cancelled.

Let’s see how Bury fans reacted to this shocking request…

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